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scottish gypsies
Aug 5 2009, 4:05 AM EDT
hi my name is davie stewart i joined romany jib a while ago as my wife is a buckland and related to sandy buckland and we are interested in her tree, but i was hoping someone would start a page on scottish gypsies as i have a fair mix of blood my self and hope to give help and also possibly get a little back, on the subject of scottish families. i have already asked for help on my mothers side who were english stewarts, but my father is a stewart also, his father jock/john stewart was born in new mill,kieth bamfshire his father was hugh stewart, mother jean whyte,, my fathers mother was rachel douglas her father charles douglas born in kirk yetholm,so i have quite a mix, i have quite a bit of info so i would be very happy share it with anyone who might need help on the subject,
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1. RE: scottish gypsies
Aug 5 2009, 6:36 AM EDT
Hi Davy and welco0me to the site there are a couple of pages for Scots Travellers on the site http://gypsyjib.wetpaint.com/page/Scotch+%26+Irish+Travellers But I am more than happy to add another !! Scotands a little harder to search as no images available on Ancestry so any leads most welcome :)) 1 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2. RE: scottish gypsies
Aug 5 2009, 9:37 AM EDT
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Here are some books might interest you mentions surnames you looking for:The Yellow on the Broom: The Early Days of a Traveller Woman, Betsy Whyte, 1992 – Life on the road for Scottish Travellers in the early part of the 20th century Red Rowans and Wild Honey, by Betsy Whyte,2004 – The sequel to "Yellow on the Broom" the life of Scottish travellers till the outbreak of the second world war. Queen Amang the Heather; The Life of Bella Stewart, by Sheila Stewart 2006 – The moving autobiography and life of Belle Stewart, traveller, folk composers and singer who was awarded the British Empire Medal for her contribution to folk music. Pilgrims in the Mist; Stories of Scotland’s Travelling people, by Sheila Stewart – A collection of Traveller stories from across Scotland. The Book of Sandy Stewart, by Alexander Stewart, 1988 – Biography of a Perthshire Tinker Pilgrims in the Mist; Stories of Scotland’s Travelling people, by Sheila Stewart – A collection of Traveller stories from across Scotland. 0 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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3. RE: scottish gypsies
Sep 16 2009, 7:22 PM EDT
hello Davie: my great grandmother was a Stewart, her family settled in Durham in the 19th century but her grandfather Isaac Stewart was a gypsy traveller'tinman who was born in Dundee c 1807 and travelled all over the borders and possibly Ireland too. I am not sure if his family were Scottish or Irish or a mix of both. His wife was a Jane Francis, probably from an Irish travelling family. Isaac had many descendants and many ended up in the US. Some married Boswells. Interested in any information about travelling Stewarts.
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4. RE: scottish gypsies
Sep 18 2009, 10:50 AM EDT
Would this be your family Lemani?1861 Census Hetton Le Hole Durham Isaac Stewart 56 b 1805 Dundee Scotland Tinplate worker Jane 53 b 1808 Stanford Thomas 26 b 1835 Newcastle Alice 15 b 1846 Durham Mary 11 b 1850 Durham Ruth 6 b 1855 Durham 1871 Census Clemon Vale Pittington Durham Isaac Stewart 63 b1808 Dundee Miner Jane 60 b 1811 Ireland Ruth 16 b 1855 Durham Charlotte 5 b 1866 Durham *says relative could be grandchild* In 1881 they have moved back to Hetton Le Hole Durham where I think some of his sons lived too He died there in 1886 aged 79 There is also a record 18th Oct 1852 Durham England Isaac Stewart imprisoned for 6mths -Larceny 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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5. RE: scottish gypsies
Sep 18 2009, 11:30 AM EDT
thank you, yes: this is my family and I am keen to find any other Stewarts connected to us: didn't know about Isaac's little misdemeanor - where did you find that?
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6. RE: scottish gypsies
Sep 20 2009, 7:30 PM EDT
hi i MIGHT have some info for you, but not sure if it connects with your family but may interest you , sorry if its a bit long winded but here goes, i started family history doing my wifes tree ,she is a buckland but i have done a fair bit on my familys, i am as i said before a bit of a mixture my fathers mother is a douglas from scotland, and my mothers mother is a miller also scotland both gypsie folk, but both my grand fathers were stewarts, gypsies as well,one from scotland the other from rochdale, i used to live in bedlington northumberland, i found out one of my grannys sisters lived in newcastle,she had passed away but her grand daughter lived nearby just off scotswood road, so i went to see her she was surprised to see me but knew as soon as she opened the door we were related,, she said your davy arnt you, i said how do you know she said she saw me when i was a little boy and never forgot me,her grandad ISAAC STEWART had taken her and his wife mary/molly miller up to see us on the newcastle town moor fair where we were stopping in trailers around 1965 .she said isaac was a different stewart to us they were settled gypsies they were from DURHAM i dont know anything about his side of the family but i might have the email address of mary on scotwood road -his grand daughter if you think you might be related, i know it cant be your isaac but could it be his grandson ?
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7. RE: scottish gypsies
Sep 21 2009, 4:45 AM EDT
hello Davie: this is really interesting information and I can't thank you enough. Yes, our Stewarts settled in Durham in the Easington Lane area, but originally used to travel widely. There are several Isaacs in different generations but all are connected somehow. I'm going to contact my cousin who has done a huge amount of research on our Stewarts both here and in the USA (where they carried on travelling for longer) and get back to you. Was it your Dad's side that the Scottish Stewarts were on?
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8. RE: scottish gypsies
Sep 21 2009, 7:04 AM EDT
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Hi LemaniRegards your question where did I find this record? 18th Oct 1852 Durham England Isaac Stewart imprisoned for 6mths -Larceny It was in England & Wales Criminal Registers 1791-1892 on Ancestry it does not give age or Birth date so could be anyone called Isaac Stewart, just thought as its in Durham may interest you Only one shows for the name though 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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9. RE: scottish gypsies
Sep 21 2009, 6:14 PM EDT
yes my fathers side is scottish as i am, my grandfather john was born in kieth bamfshire his father was hugh stewart his wife was jean whyte
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10. RE: scottish gypsies
Sep 22 2009, 3:52 AM EDT
many thanks again to you: will try to trace this further in newspaper reports or court records ... although an experienced researchere, I've found it very hard to find sources for information about gypsy travellers in the North East of England, and their connections to Scotland and Ireland. Most official histories stress the difference between the three groups ie Romanies, Irish travellers, Scottish travellers, but I believe that my family were a mixture of all. I would be interested in further information about the travelling of these groups between Scotland, England and Ireland. Also keen to hear from anyone with Francis travellers in their fmaily. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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11. RE: scottish gypsies
Sep 22 2009, 3:55 AM EDT
"yes my fathers side is scottish as i am, my grandfather john was born in kieth bamfshire his father was hugh stewart his wife was jean whyte"thanks Davie: do you still travel? Did your family use to travel very far? I find it hard to grasp what sort of distances were covered in the past. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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12. RE: scottish gypsies
Sep 22 2009, 9:56 AM EDT
Hi Ive got Ellen Francis married to John Gordon,in the 1881 census they were at Easington Lane,Hetton le Hole.John was a tinsmith. Their daughter Mary Ellen married Jacob Swales in Glasgow in 1889.
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13. RE: scottish gypsies
Sep 22 2009, 10:41 AM EDT
"Hi Ive got Ellen Francis married to John Gordon,in the 1881 census they were at Easington Lane,Hetton le Hole.John was a tinsmith. Their daughter Mary Ellen married Jacob Swales in Glasgow in 1889."My family settled in Easington Lane: will check records to see where Ellen fits in ... is she a relation of yours? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Sep 22 2009, 2:04 PM EDT
The Swales are relations of mine,also Cunninghams, Forrests who originally traveled in the North of England, but quite a few ended up in Scotland.
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Sep 23 2009, 4:32 AM EDT
"The Swales are relations of mine,also Cunninghams, Forrests who originally traveled in the North of England, but quite a few ended up in Scotland."I think I've got a Hannibal Forrest who married one of my Francis family somewhere - does that ring a bell? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Sep 23 2009, 9:59 AM EDT
Hi Lemani,Ive got a few Hannibal Forrests in my family tree.
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Sep 23 2009, 11:09 AM EDT
yes, there are a number of them: it's a real headache trying to untangle all the links between these families when so many names are repeated, as you probably have found!
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18. RE: scottish gypsies
Sep 24 2009, 8:09 AM EDT
Lemani I would like to ask if you would like to do a page about Scottish Gypsies as it seems there is interest by members about families and you seem to be more knowledgable than myself Please feel free to do this and add anything that might help others to link up and of course if I can help let me know 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Sep 24 2009, 9:18 AM EDT
hello, I'd certainly like to think about doing a page about gypsy travellers in the North East of England, in conjunction with my cousin Denise who has done a huge amount of research into our family and links with names such as Stewart, Francis, Smith, Boswell, Gray, and many others. We are still not clear how strong the link is with Scotland or indeed Ireland, so it might be best to use the North East as a starting off point. By the way, I understand there is currently a small exhibition at Durham Record Office relating to gypsies in Durham, on for around a month or so more, and which I hope to see soon.
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