Romanyjib Chat Board

Welcome to RomanyJib . Email- romanyjib@live.co.uk
This is a sister-site to RomanyGenes 1 & 2 And American Romanichals.
Sue began the sites mention above as a way of collecting and preserving a history of our Romany people..but as many asked for the ablity to chat together, those sites could not offer this ablity.. so jib was created to accomodate their request
This site allows users to interact together and exchange information in a friendly atomsphere, somewhere we can all share in our family history and help each other.

This easy and friendly atmosphere will hopefully encourage the less experienced among us and people just starting on their family history journey who need help in understanding ,the various resources available and how to use them to get the best results.

There are site rules and we will not tolorate anyone not keeping them, but hope we do not have to do that.
They can be found in menu under " copyright and site rules "

We ask no payment or recieve any finanical help keeping this site going, we do it because we wanted a place to come to share and help each other trace family , it is not about us its about creating a place where people will come and feel happy to add their family information.

We hope you will join us to participate in the researching and recording of Romany family history for future generations.
In the true spirit of history and research.

We have many members of the old lines of romany families and they are always happy to help with questions and I know through this site we have helped people find lost relatives and much more .. we are very proud of our members and their trust in us and this site and without them this site would not exist


Kushti Bokt John and Sue

The purpose of creating this satellite site was done because it could offer the service of interaction by members Wetpaint lends itself to easier compilation of certain information in table format As explained above sadly Romanygenes does not allow live enquires and discussion

Below is a link to the site map, this is always up to date and shows every page on RomanyJib.

Click to Enter - SITE MAP

Anyone considering joining Jib please read to understand what is expected when you join

It would be nice if you could just add alittle to your profile,when you join
just basic things like where you are from - country or family surnames you are interested in...
it helps others who might be looking for a relative link up


First and foremost:
You agree, through your use of this site, that you will not post any material which is
knowingly false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing,
obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a living person's privacy,
or otherwise contrary to law.


There are certain conventions on all forums and this one is no different.
It is hoped that our members are courteous and polite to each other, making allowances for:

• those that do not speak English as their first language,
• those who are new to genealogy and don't know the "obvious".
• those who are new to computing and are not as computer-literate as others

Be as clear as possible, HOW you mean what you've written.
A face-to-face converstion includes facial expressions and body language.
This is missing in a written forum conversation.
Sometimes an apparently innocent comment can be completely mistcontrued for these reasons without
that that intention , do not attack back but inform a moderator who will deal with situation

Remember that anything you post on Jib can be read by other members and visitors to the site.

Our pages are indexed by search engines, that's how a lot of new members find there way here.

When replying to a thread, stick to the topic.

Don't indiscriminately post unrelated comments, or worse.

Please do not include personal contact details in postings.
This includes e-mail addesses, postal addresses, telephone numbers, etc.

They will be removed/deleted
- Please use the PM- personal message system for this.

Be aware if you put your email address anywhere in public place as in a post on the internet,

they can be found by software that scours the web looking for addresses for spam emails.
We strongly advise you do not put your email in public view on any site
If you do it here in a post only you can edit ( change what you have written )

No one can edit another's post, even Admin does not have that ability
We Admin if so feel its needed can only delete complete posts or threads, we cannot change anything another person has written

sadly this may also delete some valuable information another person has posted.

Do not publish copyrighted material on Jib
Just because you "found it on the Internet", or you have "bought the book", etc,

does not mean that you can re-publish it elswhere.

Please examine closely any "Conditions", "Agreements" and/or "Terms of Use"

before posting such material.

Copyright is a legal mechanism that protects the originators of Material so it cannot be copied by

someone else without the written consent of said owner

If you are in doubt then assume it is copyrighted and do not post it.

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Latest News
Wetpaint's Down Time
As many of you may notice Wetpaint goes into read-only mode often, also known as Maintenance mode.
Sorry we cannot not let members know what is happening as we also cannot access Jib to tell you
Raeg has suggested making another site just so in future if this happens members can make contact * only * so you all can keep in touch below is link to site if Jib is off line
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LINK TO ROMANYJIB CHAT BOARD:

We would like to keep this site for discussion's about Romany Family History related information as we have found from our experience that mixing general chat often confuses our members and makes it hard to follow and find the various threads relating to genealogical queries etc.

With that in mind we offer our members a place to go and chat which will not
affect the on-going threads on this board, you can now click on the Link in blue below and this will take you to our general chat board where members can chat in a more informal manner .
You will have to sign in as a member and it will be monitored by us not time permitting but obviously not 24/7 !!

The same rules of conduct for this site will also apply to the chat forum board

RomanyJib Chat board







ALL MEMBERS PLEASE READ MOST IMPORTANT
We must urge members : not to click on the links as some of them are routes to very dubious sites and could expose you to the risk of Virus and Malware infection.
There is no risk to anyone as long as you do not Click the links



Sandeyb
Lots of you are now receiving your DNA kits which is great news and I am sure we are all looking forward to hearing the results, if any of you have questions or concerns please can you contact Matt directly mattsears53@googlemail.com

We not involved in the project , nor do we know when results will be available
I cannot answer any questions about DNA or the project
I only offered to help by letting people know it was going on......
I do want to know as much as anyone else when results etc will be known but understand Its a project that will take time to to collect together, so think we all have to be patient


BRITISH ROMANY GENETIC ANCESTRY PROJECT

For those who may not see it Matt Sears has posted on jib you can access his post by clicking below :
They still are looking for donors and interested from hearing from Males with a Romany mother * Maternal Line*
Also you can go to this link which is their own site : www.le.ac.uk/diasporas

http://gypsyjib.wetpaint.com/thread/4628936/BRITISH+ROMANY+GENETIC+ANCESTRY+PROJECT

This is a geninue Project run by the Department of Genetics University of Leicester England with Professor Mark Jobling & Dr Turi King

Written by Matt Sears
Any MALE as long as you fit the criteria being Male and from British Romany lines
via your Paternal Male line father -son -son etc can be considered even if you live
abroad .


They are carrying out this work as a research project and thus it is absolutely free for those chosen to take part in the study.

Donors who fulfil the research criteria will be sent kits through the post with full instructions, paperwork (i.e. ethical approval).
In return for taking part, we will provide you with a summary of the results, designed for the layperson, when it becomes available
.In addition to this, at the end of the study we will send you copy of your male inherited Y chromosome genetic fingerprint and an explanation sheet designed for the layperson.
The aim of the study is to investigate the biological origins of Britain's Romany Gypsy community,anyone wishing to take part in this unique project willl need to provide a basic genealogy through their paternal line.
Along side sampling individuals, if extensive research has been done into your family and after viewing the genealogies involved we would possibly consider sampling cousins (more distantly related than third cousins) bearing the same surname


Matt has made a recent post if anyone wishes to read what he has said click link below ;

http://gypsyjib.wetpaint.com/thread/4628936/BRITISH+ROMANY+GENETIC+ANCESTRY+PROJECT

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Many members will have found they were experiencing problems with this site.
Wetpaint have been trying to rectify these problems on their all sites
Problems include difficulty with posting Updating, Login, & the Private message service.
If when you post and send you cannot see what you have wrote use the refresh button on your Computer ,you may have to do it several times, but it will be there

As you will appreciate your Administration and site moderators are unable to let members know that it is a Wetpaint/Site problem rather than a personal one as it affects us too.
We can only apologise as it is frustrating and annoying for everyone
We hope these problems will soon be solved .

The invite system does not work
It is best to give them the url to Jib below :
http://gypsyjib.wetpaint.com/
Tell them to put it in their search and it should refer them to this home page
When it opens explain they can join by clicking * sign up * in top right corner of Home page, they should be able then to join
Its not Jib fault again its something to do with Wetpaint

When you join you become a member of Wetpaint which means you can sign into any of their sites with your user name and password
I would just like to make it clear as some members have asked
We are not connected with any other Romany/Gypsy site on Wetpaint

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A family history is never your history alone.It is collective.

It belongs to a whole set of people, many of them will still be alive and however respectful you try to be of other people's opinions and feelings, there is no getting away from the fact that when it is written down, there is a sense in which that becomes the authorised version, simply because it can be read by anyone, especially if its on internet websites

We are all searching for answers and will find many sites about family history where people have done a family tree, please be aware many trees are copies of others and also because they are copies any mistakes will be copied too
We are all human and mistakes do happen
It is always best to do your own research and backing up your findings with BMD certificates, where possible.
There are many good resource sites with information about BMD ,but always check because sometimes its taken from actual records and sometimes its user donated meaning its may not be correct if the person who send it in has not followed it up with checking actual records.


Romanies and Travellers have always been reluctant to share their family stories with outsiders and maybe alot of what has been written especially by non gypsies might not be truthful, but only those that know the truth can change that.


Not many if any families have ever actually had any written documentation handed down personally through family, the reason being they could not read or write,
so the only stories, were those passed down by word of mouth , many people have told me how lots of photos etc were often destroyed when a older member died,
with them also went alot of oral information, which is sad for those later generations who want to know about their ancestors.

Please don't be afraid to post about your family no matter how little information you have the more we can add together helps to find them.. & hopefully connects you to other relatives dead or alive

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I am aware there are those who troll net just gathering information to produce elsewhere as if its their own work..

Now more are aware that those who take others work are about..
Many members here have put certain things in place with their work that can prove its theirs and I am not saying what ,but it proves its theirs
All I do ask is respect those who are sharing their family history here and ask their permission before you pass it on especially photos they belong to individuals and just because it might be your ancestor does not give you any rights

The easy answer here is do the right thing and ask if you can use it.

Copyright ©2010 Gypsy Jib/RomanyJib. All site/forums content, logos and artwork are copyright to their respective owners. No content, image, or text should be reproduced in total or part without permission of the owner/author.

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Please remember to keep checking through the

Menu as its updated with more information
We update information about all topics listed in the menu box
top left hand page
as and when we find things so its worth checking .............
We also add new subjects regular: regarding new topics on site..

Helpful hints on using site:
It seems some maybe finding it hard to navigate this site...........
please if you do have difficulties say and we will try and amend it
so everyone can access things easily.Either PM Sandeyb -Raeg
or John a private message by clicking on names and then
click send message:we will answer you as soon as:

NEW**Internal Links Page **Quick Find Links to
pages in Sub Menu
If you click on this page in menu box it will open up a list of
pages attached to other main pages ,just click on blue writing
and it will open up the page you are looking for, due to space
and if subject is linked we have put some pages together.

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Finding Topics on Site:
Alternatively use of the *search this site * will find specific pages,
just put any combination of words and it should take you to
pages with those words in subject.
Just scroll down through until you find what you are looking for:
Or you can scroll through the menu which is below the
*search this site*
When you click on the subjects it will open page but check
also as the are some with sub pages attached.......... which
will show in menu box below each topic.

Add a Photo
To add a Photo click on " Photos" button on the top right of page.
the "Add Photo "box will appear

How to Choose the location of the photo to upload, or search for a photo on the web

1. To add a photo that's on your computer, select the "On my computer" option make sure it has a green dot in circle and then click on the "Browse" button to navigate to the photo's location on your hard drive
2. *A tip its easier to find a photo if you have loaded it on your desktop before searching*
   
3. To add a photo from another web site, click on the "Add fron Web " again make sure green dot is in circle button and paste in the complete address of the photo: It will begin with "http " and found at top of page in your browser
4. After loading another box appears "Edit Photo " enter a title and description and most important click the "DONE " button
5. sometimes it may not work if photo is over a certain size photo dimensions to be no more than 400x500 pixels size should be less than 500k
6. If you still find it hard contact admin and we will help you
   

How to add to pages:
On each page in top left hand corner is *Easyedit* if you wish
to add to any page use this:A box will appear with Easyedit toolbar:
don't be afraid to play about if you mkae mistakes just click cancel
The page will open allowing you to add writing etc, but remember
to click save after you finish......... if you make mistake just click
cancel
Some pages now are locked for safety reasons so the information cannot be altered
If you want to add anything please use the post box below each page

When you make a post:
When posting you are limited to how many words you can write,
so its best if you are writing an article or a story to make a
*new page* and then post it, that way you are not restricted
on the word count.

Making a new Page :
Below Menu is * Add a New page* click on this and it will open a box,
put title of page and click save......... then use Easyedit to reopen
page and begin adding writing etc ......... don't forget to click
save when you finish.
Anytime you wish to add more to page just go to page and open
easy edit and follow the above intructions if the page is locked contact admin and we will open page for you to allow you to add

I hope this helps those who were finding it hard to navigate ,
but any suggestions will be looked at and if we can help make
it simpler we will try.

I also want to assure everyone that all information as in
BMD & CENSUS can be found on Internet either on free sites
or paid ones, and as long as its not copied and pasted directly
from the original documents but transcribed and formatted
as a new work it is then your transcription. (This is pertaining
to Official Government Census and BMD etc.)

*Census Returns are Crown Copyright and transcriptions
are provided here by permission of HMSO
Under Licence No. C2007001105

Copyright
All Census data produced has been obtained from the:-
Office for National Statistics and is © Crown Copyright
reproduced with the permission of the Office of Public Sector
Information and the Queen's Printer for Scotland. The source
of all Census data is Office for National Statistics.
Users are granted permission to reproduce Crown Copyright
material for their personal use provided that a Click-Use Licence
has been obtained. A Click-Use licence can be obtained from OPSI,
where you can also check if your organisation already has a license.
When reproducing Census material, the source must be
acknowledged.
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Personal Photos or Personal posts belong to those who put them
on here and should be so respected
If anyone feels that someone has abused this please let us know
and it will be dealt with.
If you don't understand about Copyright or rules regarding living
people information please ask either via a post or in private
Pm we are always here to help.


All information that is received is received in good faith and with
a view only to help others in their family history research if by any
chance an Innocent error has been made * unintentionally *
please let a Moderator know ASP and we will deal with the error
Thank you.

DISCLAIMER
As most of the information on this site is contributed by members, we the site owners hold no information about members personal details - or accept any responsibility whatsoever for any errors in accuracy or omissions.
Where it can be proved information is incorrect we are happy to change or omit information

All information should be verified before adding to your family tree by your own research
This site and contents is focused on Genealogy Research and public records and is meant to be a guide only!

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